HTC Diamond Touch vs iPhone 3G or Apples vs Apples

. Tuesday, June 24, 2008

This post is basically a continuation of widely popular article:
"Why HTC Diamond Touch will fail".
This time I'd like to update the comparison for recently announced iPhone 3G and try to determinate if HTC's device future is as dark as I originally painted it.

Lets count fingers again:

  HTC Diamond Touch Apple iPhone 3G
Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz
Samsung S3C6400 at 620Mhz plus Infineon Baseband (* 3)
Operating System
Windows Mobile 6.1 with TouchFLO 3D Skin
"Slimed" OSX
Storage Capacity
4 Gb
8Gb or 16Gb
4" (102 mm)(H) x 2" (51 mm)(W) x 0.44" 11.35 mm (D)
4.5" (115.5 mm) (H) x 2.4" (62.1 mm) (W) x 0.48" (12.3mm) (D)
3.88 ounces (110 g)
4.7 ounces (133 grams)
Display Size
Display Resolution
640x 480
480 x 320
Regular Touch (*1)
HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Europe/Asia: 900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
GPS and A-GPS ready
GPS and A-GPS ready
Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g
Main camera: 3.2 megapixel color camera with auto focus
Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera
2.0 megapixel Camera located on back w/ Photo geo-tagging
No Video Conference Camera
Built-in microphone and speaker
Ring tone (?) supported formats:
* 40 polyphonic and MIDI
* Frequency response: 20Hz to 20,000Hz
* Audio formats supported: AAC, Protected AAC, MP3, MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 1, 2, and 3), Apple Lossless, AIFF, and WAV
Built in FM Radio
Yes, with RDS
No, Possibly later on as accessory
From Windows Media Player specs: "Broad support for the most popular file formats, including Windows Media Audio (.WMA), Windows Media Video (.WMV), Waveform Audio Format (.WAV), and MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 (.MP3)"
Video formats supported: H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
Web Browser
Customized Opera Mobile (*2)
Safari Browser (rumored to have Flash support)
Battery Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Talk time:
Up to 4.5 hours for 3G
Up to 5.5 Hours for 2G
Standby time:
Up to 396 hours for 3G
Up to 285 hours for 2G

Built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery3
Talk time:
Up to 5 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on 2G
Standby time: Up to 300 hours (*4)

Internet use:
Up to 5 hours on 3G6
Up to 6 hours on Wi-Fi

Video playback: Up to 7 hours8
Audio playback: Up to 24 hours9

3.5mm Headphones Jack

(* 1) From BoyGeniusReport: "...Unfortunately, the actual touch-screen interface leaves a bit to be desired. Screen presses take an un-nerving amount of pressure to register, often requiring you to tap an icon more than once to register a selection. This, unfortunately, makes the touch screen QWERTY keypad a bear to use with your bare fingers, and we found ourselves pulling out the stylus on more than one occasion to complete a sentence. The device also feels like it’s moving about a half a second behind your input, which could be contributing to the feeling of unresponsiveness

(*2) "it uses Opera as a web browser and I had yet to get that to work.  It just will not connect to the internet."
and here: (Notice it's still running slow even on faster processor than on Touch Diamond)


(* 3) Same as in Iphone 1.0, rumored to be replaced with newer 65mm core next year.

(* 4) Since Apple didn't provided how Standby time was measured, we can't conclude any results, but talk time much better!


Surely you can see both device came really close, but in this case it's HTC playing the catch-up game and still somewhat behind.

I believe the final straw as in any platform will be applications support, and granted already existing iPhone 1.0 user base



Anonymous said...

A couple of points:
- iPhone has GPS but no navigation SW, therefore useless.
- iPhone can't be used to connect your notebook to the internet.
- iPhone also doesn't offer native applications. There are milions of apps for Windows Mobile for navigation, racing, geocaching, scuba diving, paragliding etc.
- 3.5mm headphones jack is the least reliable part of all mobile audio devices - just think of the mechanical design of the connector and the pressures on it. Better use a reliable USB connector with a short adaptor (like HTC does).

BoredSysAdmin said...

"iPhone has GPS but no navigation SW, therefore useless" - TomTom has already developed a Nav sw for iphone

"iPhone can't be used to connect your notebook to the internet. " - True that, for now iPhone can't be tethered

"iPhone also doesn't offer native applications" = Wake and and smell the roses - iPhone 2.0 f/w enabled native apps

"3.5mm headphones jack is the least reliable part of all mobile audio devices" ?? What?? I never saw or heard of broken 3.5mm jack

Anonymous said...

This is a pretty biased repot, if you ask me.

Your points about the 'headphone' jack are correct, but are not worth dedicating your entire first report on.

Your table comparing the two is hiddeously biased. "Safari (rumoured to have 'Flash)." Hold doesn't!

iPhone GPS? I wouldn't take it out to sea with me, put it that way.

I think you have compared Apples and Pears.

If you're going to write a comparrison, try to be a little more impartial!


BoredSysAdmin said...

Dear Anon
In case you missed this article was written on 6/24 a whole 3 weeks before official sale date.
So your comments are irrelevant
Please spare me your accusations of my impartiality..
The solid facts regarding does iPhone has flash support or not came out only on 7/11 - release day. The iPhone 3G does have GPS, but the antenna is too small to have steady signal. Next time be man enough to leave your signature

Anonymous said...

theres other things not mentioned that the crappy iphone cant do:

mms messaging (nearly every phone can do that these days)

cant forward txt messages.

no flash support (I doubt there ever will be)

No copy/paste text features

cant send business cards through txts

camera, there was no point in having one, can't shoot video, takes crappy pictures.

Iphone is the biggest over hyped piece of crap in the market of phones.

and apple supporters will make up crap to tell you its cutting edge technology

BoredSysAdmin said...

Who gives a damn about crappy mms anyways then you have REAL email?
Why the hell would you forward txt? It's limited by 160 chars and 99% of them count only 20-30 at most
Copy/Paste is function being developed right now (3rd party)
"business cards through txts"? - Are we in middle ages again?
Camera is extremely easy too use and what what 99% of none-geeks want and takes pretty good quality pics in right conditions.

Take your attitude somewhere else buddy

kire1982 said...


Nice comparison between the 2 phones.

Apple has come long ways since the first iphone was released, really improving their support.

I think the phones are targeted at different markets Iphone is a great entertainment phone wich can be used for regular daily tasks.

HTC touch diamond has WM 6.1 wich is good for some people, I need to constatntly edit documents on the go and most of the times a latop is a no-go. Inventory control and tracking patient profiles is important, updates from this software via PC are necessary, that is why in my case, and the case of others who rely on PDA's and smartphones to do their job, The diamond is a nice option.

Although as an entertainment platform it might be harder to use than the Iphone, adding to that, problem with the HTC diamond (as well as Iphone) is that the data entry (screen keyboard) is a problem.

That is why I will hold on to get a HTC diamond right away, There is going to be a Diamond pro that has a full qwerty keyboard.;also

I dont think the diamond touch is going to fail, but it will not kill the Iphone either.